01/09/2026
Emily Macdonald is joined by Amy Gutcher from Sumerian to explore social investment, patient capital, financial resilience, and what it means to support social enterprises beyond funding alone.
Amy shares her journey from founding a social enterprise to training as an accountant and working within impact-first investment. That experience gives her a rare view from both sides of the table, understanding the pressures founders face while also knowing what investors need to see.
Together, Emily and Amy discuss cash flows, revenue-based repayments, risk, founder wellbeing, trust, and why investment should come with support, not just capital.
For founders trying to understand what finance could look like in practice, this is a clear and grounded conversation.
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