09/18/2017
On a daily basis I get asked “Joe, what is the best list to mail to?”. And without hesitation I answer Probate.
So what is probate, Nolo.com describes Probate as a legal process that takes place after someone dies.
If you’re a lazy investor and are looking for the short cut to success I would suggest you stop reading. Probate is not for the work-shy. Why you ask- because it takes a lot of work to not only find these list, but to nurture your leads. Also the probate process can vary for state to state, county to county and their is no manual to success only a suggestive playbook. So you’re going to have to use this guide at your own will and do your own work.
Where to find these leads
Getting your probate lead will be the most difficult task you will face. The bad news for those who invest in states that are nondisclosure, the probate list is not considered public information and can be very difficult if not impossible to produce. For everyone else, Google is going to be your best friend and a simple “my county and/or state probate court” should lead you in the right direction. Once you find the court who handles these cases, a simple phone call asking where to find the information should easily lead you to the right resource. Some larger counties will have this information accessible online. In Pittsburgh, PA (Allegheny county) you can access this information from this website. For other counties you should look in the legal newspaper or the largest newspaper publisher under legal notices. As I mentioned before, for those who live in nondisclosure states look in your local newspaper for those who have recently passed away and begin to “Google” them. Yes it is a lot of work, but I can assure you- your competition is not doing this!
Who to mail to
In most probate filings, you will see the term “Executor”, this person is the one who is in charge of the estate and will be your best point of contact. Your mail piece should be addresses to this person and in most cases the docket will have their mailing address. You will also want to find the subject property. The docket should list “Descendant’s address”. This will be the property you want to buy. I personally like to get as much information as possible. I will write down the name’s of the heir’s, all addresses and and in some cases the attorney’s information.
When to Mail
The process for probate can start at any time after death. I always suggest you begin marketing to probates as soon as possible. If you are just starting to build your mailing list from scratch, I would suggest going back 6 months and getting as many leads as possible. My county has around 1.25 million residents and I average around 225-275 leads per month. The best advise I can give to you about probate is there is not “time limit”. I have seen executors close a probate as fast as possible (within days of receiving my letter) and I have seen some who take months if not years to begin the process to sell. You need to understand and be mindful that everyone takes losing a loved one differently. But remember to win at probate you need mail fast and often. The sales process can take some time…but probate deals always provide the biggest return!
One of most profitable deals came from a probate. I mailed the seller a letter back in early June and the seller called me in September. His family member passed away in February. He ended up having some health issues of his own and he had to put closing the estate on the back burner. I called him almost every month to just touch base. We ended up going into contract almost a year later after he first initially called me! As you can see somethings just take time, so be patient and keep working.
Tomorrow I will cove:
1. Which mail piece to send and how often to send.
2. Should you mail to the heirs/attorney of the probate
3. Should you mail them a letter if a spouse or children are living in the house
4. How to clean your list to avoid unnecessary cost
5. Should you mention the death or give condolences in your letter
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To Your Success,
Yellow Letter Service Team