10/07/2026
What is thought leadership? How does it work? And why does it matter? 🤔 I've been exploring those questions for twenty years, ever since I stumbled into this field in the early 2000s.
This episode is part of a companion series to our new book, The Thought Leadership Handbook 📖 — conversations with the exemplars who actually appear in the book, about how they practice thought leadership in the real world.
Today, that's Charlene Li, who published Winning with AI this spring, co-authored with Katia Walsh. 🤖
Charlene has written five books before this one, and she's candid that this one is different by design — less an explainer of what AI is, more what she calls a "doing book." She expects roughly 20% of its case studies to be outdated within a year or two. That's not a flaw in the work. It's an honest acknowledgment of the moment we're in.
What struck me most, though, was the origin story underneath it.
We talked about what it was like practicing thought leadership as an in-house expert at Forrester, where she wrote her first book, Groundswell, with Josh Bernoff — entirely remote, long before that was normal. She's candid that what made that partnership work wasn't complementary skill sets alone. 🤝 It was years of built trust — the kind that lets two people disagree productively, walk away from an argument, and come back with clarity instead of resentment.
We also got into why she left Forrester to found Altimeter, and a choice that looked risky at the time: give the research away for free while competitors charged for it. 💡 The audience came first — over 100,000 readers, almost overnight. 📈 The business followed.
And the throughline connecting all of it? 目 Groundswell's "ladder of engagement" is still taught 18 years later — not because the case studies aged well, but because the thinking did. We closed with why she keeps practicing thought leadership, and the impact she's hoping to make next.
Thank you, Charlene, for such a generous and thoughtful conversation. 🙏
If you'd like more of her story, go back to episode 113 of Leveraging Thought Leadership — and if you want the full framework, The Thought Leadership Handbook is available now on Amazon, B&N, bookshop.org, and Amplify Publishing.
https://thoughtleadershipleverage.com/from-in-house-analyst-to-independent-thought-leader-charlene-li-723/
A candid conversation with NYT bestselling author Charlene Li on transforming AI disruption into actionable strategy, co-authoring across decades, and building durable frameworks that outlast fast-moving trends.