08/24/2026
What if the biggest leadership problem isn’t a lack of effort, but how the effort is being organized?
In our newest episode of The Frustrated CEO Podcast, Patsy challenges Patrick with a question every leader should be willing to ask:
“What if I’m the divider and conqueror?”
If you keep having the same conversations with the same five people, but nothing is actually moving forward, it may be time to step back and ask:
What are we really trying to accomplish? And does the progress matter?
Sometimes leadership means stopping the separate conversations and getting everyone in the same room, at the same time.
Because when leaders divide conversations, they can unintentionally divide the organization.
Great leadership creates shared understanding, shared accountability, and clarity around what progress actually looks like.
🎙️ Watch our newest episode, “Divide and Conquer,” on YouTube or listen wherever you get your podcasts.
What’s one conversation your team needs to have together?